Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03

feeds@kickapps.com (Big D) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:24:11 PST

Hell I'll take Jackie now. I bet he would have won more games the past five years then this $%*@+#@% we got now.

Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03

feeds@kickapps.com (Stormrider81) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:16:59 PST

"As I recall the Oregon and Houston games would have been winnable had our defense not slept the first quarter."

What people forget is both Oregon and Houston took the foot off the gas once they were up big. It's not simply a case where our defense played bad for the first quarter, our defense was terrible all the way around, particularly the secondary. Other teams just coasted once they got up 28-0 out of the gates.

Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03

feeds@kickapps.com (Todd4State) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:19:27 PST

Mutt the Hoople wrote:

Coach Croom is a powerful speaker. He can get a room of middle-aged, fat white guys all fired up and willing to run through a wall for him. Problem is, he
doesn't have any middle-aged bald white guys on the roster.

Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03

feeds@kickapps.com (Mutt the Hoople) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:10:19 PST

I remember when he first got here in 1991. It was utterly amazing to see Mississippi State beating Texas, Auburn, and making Ole Miss squeal like the little bitches they truly are. After five years of Rockey Felker (sorta like Croom, but without the gameday smarts), it was refreshing to see a real Head Coach on the sidelines.

I'll always appreciate Coach Sherrill for making MState competitive in the SEC, for bringing parity back to the Alabama rivalry, for putting teams on the field that would just PUMMEL the opponent and make them scared to ever come back to Scott Field, and for the anger opposing fans would have when they'd say something stupid like, "Ah've always luvved Meeesaseeepy State, but ah haate that thar crook Jackie Sherrill. You's be's better off gittin' rid of heem".

That said, he should've left after 2001. He just didn't have it anymore. Not only that, but the long, drawn-out investigation (where we found the...

Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03

feeds@kickapps.com (UpTheMiddlex3Punt) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:52:14 PST

The 2003 season didn't get truly sucky until after he announced his retirement before the Auburn Game. As I recall the Oregon and Houston games would have been winnable had our defense not slept the first quarter.

8-30-03	OREGON	LOST 34-42
9-13-03	at Tulane	LOST... Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (Indndawg) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:40:14 PST Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (patdog) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:09:19 PST As much as we sucked in 2001-2003, at least Jackie had actually won a lot of games here in his career. Also, Jackie never acted like he was more important than the fans and he didn't throw his players under the bus when we lost. As pissed as I'll always be at Jackie for what he did to our program this century, I'll always appreciate what he did for it in the 1990s. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (jramsufan) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:02:22 PST But..but..but.... Croom loves the fans. He even carried the flag all over the field after the Ole Miss game last year. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (gtowndawg) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:55:54 PST from the fans after those terrible games. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (Stormrider81) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:33:50 PST "had a legit excuse for the downfall (two year NCAA witch hunt)" It's amazing to me that people will totally excuse Jackie's last 3 years and then turn around and complain about Croom non-stop. People blame the NCAA investigation, but they fail to mention that Jackie signed two of his highest rated classes during this period. How exactly did the NCAA investigation kill us? I'll tell you what caused our downfall (in no particular order). We signed a class full of JUCO busts in 2001. We had no discipline whatsoever. Jackie lost the fire. Players like Dontae Walker were allowed to start in his senior year over players like Jerious Norwood. We quit when things got tough. Our defense was horrible. Etc, etc, etc. If there had been no NCAA investigation we still would have fallen off the edge of the world. Jackie should have resigned after 2002, but instead he came back and buried the program. I don't blame him for where we currently are, but... Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (Indndawg) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:43:49 PST mumble fan support. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (Shmuley) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:36:48 PST Nearly every state fan I run into starts a conversation with me essentially the same way: "You think we're gonna get rid of him?" I'm talking about uber sheep as well. We all know Swindoll is a f'n idiot loser, but his "majority of fans support Coach Croom" bullshit is just a lie from hell. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (thatsbaseball) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:56:56 PST Croom 180 degrees opposite ! Wonder why ? Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (josebrown) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:41:39 PST No 17ing way. I don't ever recall Jackie ever calling out the fans. I also don't recall Jackie throwing players under the bus every loss the way crxxms does. I also seem to remember Jackie putting the players on display to the fans for "meet the players" days. crxxms said something about it not happening until the players earn it or some stupid shit. I also recall Jackie ringing cowbells for and with the fans. I also recall Jackie personally calling some boosters weekly and giving them the whats going on this week updates. crxxms may do it, just not with anyone I know. crxxmsux. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (ArrowDawg) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:03:26 PST .......in '03 by any means, and I was torn between changing coaches and giving him more time. One day I was for change, the next I wasn't. The thing about Jackie was that he had built up some credibility with his previous success. Croom hasn't built anything in five years except to have one fluke season. There's more than just record going against Croom though. Croom doesn't impress me at all as a head coach. What I mean by that is he doesn't handle himself like a head coach. For one, he doesn't know how to handle the fans or the media(always having to clarify something). Another, more important thing is his glaring weakness on game day. He looks completely lost sometimes, clueless even. We see very little in the way of in-game adjustments from Croom, and his mind-boggling decisions at times such as punting from our opponent's 30-yard-line just take the cake. Jackie Sherrill may not have been immune to doing some questionable things at... Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (maroonmania) — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:50 PST For most of his time here, State people loved Jackie and Jackie always related well and went out of his way to connect with the MSU fanbase while opposing teams and the media hated him. On the other hand, Croom always seems to stay at odds with our fans and seems to treat us like the enemy while the media, especially national media, and other teams' coaches and fan adore him. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (dawgphd) — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:02 PST //////// Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (karlchilders) — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:36:28 PST The problem with JWS, once he started losing...People, me included, wer'e not going to also put up with the continuous needless PF penalties, and the bull shit demonstrations and strutting by the players. That was hard to take while we were winning. Re: Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (WalkTheDawg) — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:21:52 PST jackie won many bowls and proved MSU could win and compete. Plus he made moves to try to right the ship and had a legit excuse for the downfall (two year NCAA witch hunt). Croom has shown that one good defensive coach can carry your lard ass right into a raise and contract extension, refuses to blame anything he or his buddies does on any loss, and has lashed out at the fans already. Jackie won except for the freefall years.. Croom loses and blames everyone within eyesight for it. Who has/had more fan support: Croom in 08 or Jackie in 03 feeds@kickapps.com (thatsbaseball) — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:09:10 PST I think Jackie had more because of the somewhat sustained success we had in the late 90`s. I just don`t feel much love within our ranks for Croom right now. Edited to add : Jackie should have obviously been fired after 02.