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NCAA Investigation |
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Posts: 505 11/17/08 02:35 PM |
I posted a similar thread on Genespage also....
Does anyone know what we did to get probation? We were investigated for years (which was a killer) and then given 4 years after nothing was really found. What is the inside scoop? |
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99jc |
Ask and you shall recieve................. | #1 | ||
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Posts: 275 11/17/08 03:41 PM |
The NCAA announced Wednesday that its infractions committee found two former assistants and several boosters broke recruiting rules between 1998 and 2002
The Bulldogs will lose four scholarships for the 2005 and 2006 seasons, and they are limited to 45 expense-paid recruiting visits in each of the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years -- 11 fewer per year than the maximum allowed by the NCAA. Mississippi State in April admitted to secondary rules violations within the football program but denied more serious NCAA allegations of offering to provide cash and other perks to recruits. The university received a letter of allegations from the NCAA on Dec. 2, detailing 13 possible rules violations, some by former assistants coaches Glenn Davis and Jerry Fremin. Among the violations, the committee found members of the Mississippi State football program improperly reimbursed prospective student-athletes for recruiting trips, giving recruits and their families money for hotel rooms and rental cars. An assistant coach arranged to pay for the summer school classes a recruit needed to become eligible and a booster allowed two recruits to stay in a hotel in Starkville for free.
Last Edited By: 99jc 11/17/08 03:49 PM.
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Dawg725 |
In the eyes of the media... | #2 | ||
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Posts: 556 11/17/08 03:44 PM INTENSITY |
that was an "impossible situation" for Croom...
bahhhh bahhh Greg:
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lawdawg02 |
i think we gave JJ Grand 50 bucks. | #3 | ||
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Posts: 1873 11/17/08 03:52 PM One Call, That's All
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and there was something about a mcrae's, but i don't remember. it was ridiculous. they didn't have jack.
"I saw Wedding Crashers accidentally. I bought a ticket for Grizzly Man and went into the wrong theater. After an hour, I figured I was in the wrong theater, but I kept waiting. That’s the thing about bear attacks. They come when you least expect it." - Dwight Schrute |
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99jc |
And as a result of this we thought Hiring a black coach (sly) could keep us from recieving harsher.. | #4 | ||
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Posts: 276 11/17/08 03:53 PM |
penalty's.
The uncertainty is gone," Croom said. "We can move forward and move our program in the direction we want it to go. ... We will not under my watch be in this situation again." Thomas Yeager, chairman and commissioner of the NCAA committee, said the historical significance of hiring Croom was "immaterial to our conclusion," but credited Mississippi State for creating "a new atmosphere surrounding rules compliance." "There is a new direction with the program. ... Simply changing coaches does not necessarily mitigate (that) the committee will look favorably on that kind of personnel action," Yeager said. "In this case, it was a positive evaluation." And so we have this hell of a mess we call our football program. In effect they did give us the death penalty
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 patdog |
You do realize we put Tommy Kelly and Demetric Wright up in the Ramada Inn | #5 | ||
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Posts: 9779 11/17/08 03:57 PM |
for a whole semester while they were getting eligible at EMCC, don't you? That alone is a major violation and a lack of institutional control. And I can
say for a fact that that is 100% true. 90% of the rest of that report was bullshit, but that little nugget alone is worth almost as much as we got in actual
sanctions.
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AdamDawgDude |
Thanks.... | #6 | ||
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Posts: 506 11/17/08 03:58 PM |
99jc wrote: Even the allegations are weak.... Good grief. Everybody wines and dines recruits when they visit. What did we admit to--about a $1,000 worth of hotel bills? Is that really worthy of a two year investigation and 4 years of probation? The NCAA blows. I'm glad that Polk was such a pain in their ass.... |
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lawdawg02 |
oh yeah, forgot about that. | #7 | ||
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Posts: 1874 11/17/08 04:04 PM One Call, That's All
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i didn't remember that making the "official" findings or whatever. either way, i do miss eating the $4 ramada buffet with all the players. funny, i don't remember them ever being in line with me to pay... "I saw Wedding Crashers accidentally. I bought a ticket for Grizzly Man and went into the wrong theater. After an hour, I figured I was in the wrong theater, but I kept waiting. That’s the thing about bear attacks. They come when you least expect it." - Dwight Schrute |
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Posts: 1122 11/17/08 04:11 PM |
If only the Ramda guy would have adopted them.
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I am Al Czervik |
Not to throw salt in a wound | #9 | ||
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Posts: 103 11/17/08 04:20 PM |
but go look at Tubb's record at OM and compare. Remember he did that while losing 24 scholarships over a 2 year period (amongst other penalties). He was
playing with 70 scholarship kids in his third year. Remind folks of that when they talk about being hit with probation, program in shambles, etc. For the
record, we, like MSU, could have gotten worse.
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DawgatAuburn |
We should used the Holiday Inn Express. | #10 | ||
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Posts: 3987 11/17/08 04:25 PM |
I am betting the NCAA would never have been able to unearth those records.
That's not me, but it could be. |
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OMlawdog |
I remember playing basketball with Otis Riddley... | #11 | ||
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Posts: 806 11/17/08 04:34 PM |
Im not sure if anyone remembers him from several years ago, he was from Provine (I think), and actually a really nice kid and really smart.
One day after leaving the gym he we are talking about leaving for MSU, and he gets into a brand new Cadillac Escalade. I mentioned that he had a nicer car than me, and I had just finished my first year at a law firm, and he said, well if you had Coach Collins handling your career, you would be in one two. Coach Collins was the Provine head coach, who got his fat ass son a scholarship to MSU. Neither one of them were SEC caliber, but Quentin Culberson who graduated the following year was, and MSU got him too. I only know of one other MSU recruiting story, and that one involves old Eric Dotson on the coast, and I know everyone has heard that one. |
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MadDawg |
The actual report says: | #12 | ||
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Posts: 3768 11/17/08 05:00 PM AssMan |
The actual NCAA report says:
During the period January 9-20, 2001, and while the university was recruiting two football prospective student-athletes, the general manager of a local hotel permitted the young men to reside at the hotel's annex at no cost to them. The local hotel was a representative of the university's athletics interests.Not quite the same thing as a semester.
Last Edited By: MadDawg 11/17/08 05:04 PM.
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Mutt the Hoople |
...And USC put the Reggie Bush family up in condos | #13 | ||
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Posts: 6480 11/17/08 05:07 PM King of Pointless Knowledge |
Tennessee boosters paid thousands of dollars to Tee Martin. It was simply the SEC and the NCAA got tired of Jackie Sherrill's teams making Alabama, Auburn,
Texas, and Florida their little bitches. They want MState to be the Washington Generals of the SEC-a nice little team you know you can beat for Homecoming.
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CivilEngineerDog |
why we were put on probation? WE WON FOOTBALL GAMES!! | #14 | ||
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Posts: 535 11/17/08 05:14 PM |
PLAIN AND SIMPLE. We did nothing that different than everyone else, but the universe was out of whack when we started winning. A certain school felt we were
infringing on their God given right to dominate Mississippi football, so they hired private investigators to find dirt on the King!!@##$! Meanwhile, a certain
ZenaReb helped matters along only as a female rebel booster could. Also the same thing they did to Bob Tyler and Larry Gallard back in 1975!
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ArrowDawg |
Don't forget UK's probation. They were also hit worse than........ | #15 | ||
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Posts: 3658 11/17/08 06:15 PM |
....MSU and look at what Rich Brooks has done with that program. We're talking about a school where basketball rules.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for,
protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was
once like in the United States where men were free." - Ronald Reagan
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The Big Slick |
This is from the NCAA report... | #16 | ||
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Posts: 768 11/17/08 06:27 PM |
"Prospect 4 spent approximately $20 of the money on fast food, soft drinks and antacid."
They actually took the time to type that. |
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thatsbaseball |
I`ll guarantee you however Otis got his ride was more honorable | #17 | ||
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Posts: 2761 11/17/08 06:46 PM |
than the way lawyers get theirs. |
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MississippiHeavyMetalDawg |
don't forget about Goldie's ride at Ole Miss. | #18 | ||
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Posts: 312 11/17/08 08:00 PM |
How does an Escalade compare to the cost of 11 nights at the Ramada?
What was Ole Miss's punishment? I'm still waiting. |
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SLUdog |
Who is "we"? Did Mississippi State University or its athletic department.... | #19 | ||
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Posts: 3720 11/17/08 08:18 PM |
pay for these gentleman to live in a hotel? Did Sherrill or a member of the coaching staff pay for it? Just curious as to who "we" actually is.
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Posts: 1525 11/17/08 08:34 PM |
99jc wrote: And Croom said "11 fewer expense paid visits?! Is that all? I'll show you! I'll leave more on the table! Take that you NCAA bitches" |
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