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AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 07:45 AM
Ok. The thread got a little cumbersome, so I went ahead and moved it to the Pack Mentality forum. You can view it there. To get the pulse of the Pack on this question, here is a poll with most of the most-suggested bands. I could only fit 20 in the poll, so some had to be left off.

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 07:45 AM
Ok. The thread got a little cumbersome, so I went ahead and moved it to the Pack Mentality forum. You can view it there. To get the pulse of the Pack on this question, here is a poll with most of the most-suggested bands. I could only fit 20 in the poll, so some had to be left off.

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 07:45 AM
Ok. The thread got a little cumbersome, so I went ahead and moved it to the Pack Mentality forum. You can view it there. To get the pulse of the Pack on this question, here is a poll with most of the most-suggested bands. I could only fit 20 in the poll, so some had to be left off.

Coach34
08-03-2010, 08:21 AM
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uptowndawg
08-03-2010, 08:21 AM
Nothin like a solid late '70s Dark Star.

jakldawg
08-03-2010, 08:28 AM
interesting.

Optimus Prime 4
08-03-2010, 08:32 AM
estreetku

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 08:37 AM
Here is a USA Today blog/poll about the best American Rock Bands, for what its worth: Click here (http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/popcandy/2005-07-05-pop-candy_x.htm)

I knew last week's column would spark heated debate among music aficionados, but I didn't realize just how intense it would get until the e-mail started pouring in — more e-mail, in fact, than I've received about any other column.
And though the results were close, there could only be one winner. So, without further ado, I present your top pick for the greatest American rock band of all time:

Pearl Jam.


Everybody's all-American: Pearl Jam outranked Nirvana, Van Halen and The Doors in last week's poll.
By Danny Clinch
Yes, the Seattle rockers outranked powerhouses such as Van Halen (No. 3), The Doors (No. 9) and Nirvana, which landed at No. 18. At first, I was shocked by the choice (to be honest, I fully expected Aerosmith to win). But the more e-mail I read, the more it began to make sense.

Why is Pearl Jam the greatest? Here's what you said:

•They've stayed true to themselves. "Instead of selling out with videos and constant press coverage, they pulled back at their height, and focused on the music," wrote Willie McNabb in El Dorado, Ark. "They belong up there with Neil Young, Zeppelin and The Beatles because they never compromised their integrity, which is really all any of us have."

•The music rocks. From Atlanta reader Tom Baker: "They've continually reshaped their sound, album after album, and are still making great, vital music 12+ years into their career. What else could you want?"

Want to interview Pearl Jam?

You debated, you voted and now you've chosen the No. 1 American rock band of all time.

But wait, it's not over: Pearl Jam guitarist Mike McCready wants your questions! Scroll to the bottom of the page for details on how to get in on the action.



•Their records sell ... "... because they're good, not because they've been hyped to death by the media," McNabb added.

•There have been scores of imitators. "How many Pearl Jam/Eddie Vedder knockoffs have invaded rock radio since Ten?" asked Scott Jordan, another Atlanta fan.

•Their concerts are first-rate — and affordable. Jake Mohlman from Barrington, R.I., praised the band for keeping ticket prices low. "It's unique in an era when most artists gouge their fans to the limit," he wrote. "Likewise, releasing their shows on low-cost bootlegs brings a new dimension to seeing one of their shows."

See below for the rest of the top 20 and more of your comments. For more debate, feel free to chat with me at 1 p.m. ET.

2. Aerosmith. "Their first hit was in 1973, and they're still selling out concerts," wrote Brooklyn Center, Minn., reader Darren Slack, who added that "fans don't boo them if they play stuff off their latest album" and they're "probably one of the first groups teenagers and parents both dig (and not in a Pat Boone kind of way, either)." Said David Matthews from Tampa: "No one died, no one got p—-ed and left the band, no one got kicked out and was replaced — and their ability to rock the house is still going strong."

3. Van Halen. "How many bands from America have been as huge as Van Halen, then had to replace the lead singer and still be as popular, or even more popular, than before?" asked St. Louis reader Christopher Cokenour. "Van Halen's songwriting, whether with David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar, took you to a place of happiness, never getting too heavy, never being too stupid." In addition, Patrick Beam in Little Rock was one of several readers to say "Eddie Van Halen influenced every guitarist that was alive or has been born since."

4. The Eagles. "They win for longevity (I've got my ticket stub to their 1977 Hotel California tour), concert performances (also have ticket stubs from six 'farewell' concerts), they write their own songs and have tons of records sold," said longtime fan Sheri Broom from Savannah, Ga.

5. Journey. "No contest!" said Deer Park, Texas, fan Bob Barney. (He went on to type the band's name 12 times using a large font and a spectrum of colors.) From Ronda Nelson in Terre Haute, Ind.: "They have been rockin' for over 30 years and are out on tour right now supporting a new CD."

6. Guns N' Roses. "A lot of people have said that it's unbelievable that Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet Child O' Mine and Patience could have all come from the same band," wrote Laurie Hamilton from Bennington, Vt. Said Marlborough, Mass., reader Matthew Sychantha: "These guys practically set up the world, combining punk, thrash metal and hair metal in an interesting, twisted style."

7. The Grateful Dead. "I feel a band's records are limiting; true musical genius comes through live music," wrote Carl Fuller, a Dead fan from Flagstaff, Ariz. "The Dead also created an entire tribal subculture in society. Few bands can claim this honor."

8. Queensryche. Some reasons why, according to David Russell in Fishkill, N.Y.: "They've endured 25 years of the changing rock scene. They still tour all the time, selling out all the time and putting on an unbeatable live show. Their music has evolved with the times and has never failed to succeed. Their lyrics are constantly full of thought-provoking material and deep meaning. They are the best all around band ... period!"

9. The Doors. "They had the complete package: musicianship, lyrics, songs and stage presence," wrote Michael Morris from Bourne, Mass. "But more importantly, their music has far transcended the band (even with the cult-psycho-martyr status of Jim Morrison) and stands the test of time. No one was doing, or will ever do, what The Doors did. They were the original alternative band, and that makes them the greatest American band."

10. R.E.M. "Their ability to link lyrics with great depth to an alternative/folk/rock sound is unparalleled in the world of music," said Lebanon, Pa., fan Jay McCumber. "There is no one who sounds like R.E.M. except R.E.M. Automatic For The People is the greatest American rock record ever."

11. The Allman Brothers Band and Fleetwood Mac (tie). "Duane Allman was one of the greatest guitar players that ever lived; a legitimate argument could even be made that he was the best," wrote Pittsburgh fan Ned Twyman. Jeff Sprankle from East Haddam, Conn., agreed, adding, "this band has had benders that have lasted longer than most bands' careers." As for the Mac, Debbie Gultice in Xenia, Ohio, said "harmonies between Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie are haunting. And who has ever heard of a band with three songwriters who can create hits?"

12. Metallica. From Patrick Dickens: "Although I don't like where heavy metal is today, Metallica essentially created an entire sub-genre of rock 'n' roll. Even if some won't give them credit for creating heavy metal, there is no doubt that they defined it and carried everybody else along on their backs."

13. KISS. "Thirty-two years, millions of records, massive merchandising and a fan base that does not want them to stop touring, ever" qualify them as the best band, according to Christopher Burke in Colorado Springs. As for those live shows, Michael Gershe in Akron, Ohio, said they're "the most fun you can have for two hours with your clothes on."

14. The Ramones. "Every band, American or otherwise, has been influenced by them in some fashion," said Raleigh reader Tom Maeser. From Matt Cox: "They didn't burn out, they didn't fade away, and they weren't a one-hit wonder. They were a band who played to make music and turn people on. I got turned on to the Ramones in the fifth grade, and today, 20 years later, they are still my favorite band, and my kids' favorite band."

15. Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band and Creedence Clearwater Revival (tie). Steve Howell from Bear, Del., had a few things to say about E Street: "From a recorded album perspective, (their) stuff is indescribable. If you haven't seen them, don't walk, run, to get tickets the next time they are in town. The first thing you will think after the show is, 'I want to — no, I need to — go again tomorrow night.'" And Creedence? "They define good ol' American rock," wrote Andrew Neuburger in Olathe, Kan. "They have 20+ songs that get regular play on many different radio formats. A great combination of rock, country, R&B, rockabilly and swamp pop made their songs accessible to everyone."

16. Dave Matthews Band and Lynyrd Skynyrd (tie). "DMB is the epitome of what American rock stands for: huge tours, loud rock and the working class," wrote Gabriel Wallis in Greenville, S.C. Mike Minnick in Morton, Pa., praised Skynyrd's "killer songs ... and they still tour in spite of losing so many members. And the music still sounds the same as when they were still complete."

17. The Beach Boys. "The Beach boys, fueled by Brian Wilson, were the only band to compete with arguably England's best-ever rock band, The Beatles," wrote Milwaukee fan Nick Blavat. "Pet Sounds still pushes what music is, even by a 2005 standard. Brian Wilson's George Lucas-like re-touching of the Beach Boys' unreleased masterpiece, Smile, clearly shows their staying power and influence in American music."

18. Nirvana. From Greg Mahoney, a college professor in Georgetown Township, Mich.: "The first time I heard Nevermind, to paraphrase Beck out of context, I knew things were gonna change, I could feel it. To bolster the point: I do most of my research in China, (and) during the nation's first Beer Festival, held in Shenzhen, a teenage cover band fronted by a punked-out Chinese girl ripped through Smells Like Teen Spirit with all the ferocity of Cobain and Co. Indeed, things had changed, and you could feel it."

19. The Replacements. Among Bill Walsh's long list of reasons for picking the 'Mats, the Illinois reader said that "Tommy Stinson was 13 when they recorded their first album, Sorry Ma, Forgot To take Out the Trash, "the high school in Heathers is Westerberg High" and, finally, "What other band would have the cojones to name an album Let It Be, which is better than the Beatles' version?"

Rounding out the list is ...

20. Bon Jovi. Unfortunately, most voters chose not to elaborate why Jon, Richie and the gang were tops. I guess they wanted the music to speak for itself — or maybe they were just too busy rocking to type.

VegasDawg13
08-03-2010, 08:39 AM
Also, all three of Hendrix's studio albums were released under The Jimi Hendrix Experience, so it's quite ridiculous for him to be discluded as well.

jakldawg
08-03-2010, 08:46 AM
did not. So much for brevity.
And The Jimi Hendrix Experience was 2/3 British.

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 08:49 AM
fit them in the "band" category. It is not Greatest Artists of all time though. Good point with Tom Petty. Other notables that were left off, The Beach Boys, Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Stone Temple Pilots, Dave Matthews Band, Fleetwood Mac, Prince and the Revolution, Steely Dan, Boston, Chicago, Bon Jovi, The Beastie Boys (borderline rock), TOOL - it really is an impossible debate - but at least we can see where the 6pack stands on this 20.

Frexzell
08-03-2010, 09:00 AM
For the record: Yes, CSNY was made up of two Americans (Crosby and Stills), but Young is a Canadian and Nash is British.

VegasDawg13
08-03-2010, 09:03 AM
And The Jimi Hendrix Experience was 2/3 British.Don't feel like looking it up, but now that you mention it, I believe Are You Experienced? was recorded in England, also.

It's funny. If this poll were done by rock critics / historians, the top band would almost definitely be The Beach Boys, and they aren't included (not complaining; I wouldn't have voted for them anyway, and I doubt many on this board would have).

weblow
08-03-2010, 09:06 AM
Journey made the cut but the Boss didn't

If the question was, who is the most overrated musician of all time then the Boss would be a clear winner.

They guy sounds terrible live and has to sing behind a teleprompter so he does not forget the words to his song.

I have never and will never understand the fascination with Bruce. He sings like shit and his songs suck on top of that.

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 09:08 AM
Anyone who voted for Guns n Roses either has no testicles, or has never listened to the monstrosity that isChinese Democracy. It is easily one of the top 5 worst records of all time.Absolutely ridiculous.

ckDOG
08-03-2010, 09:13 AM
Axl is in a band called GNR by name only - it's not the same...

ShrubDog
08-03-2010, 09:15 AM
Pearl Jam bettter than the Allman Bros.......yikes!

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 09:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYhgVgwh8H4<div>
</div><div>Shackler's Revenge</div><div>
</div><div>http://www.youtube.com/wa...XmYYgw4&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHMcXmYYgw4&feature=fvst)</div><div>
</div><div>There was a Time</div><div>
</div><div>
</div><div>These songs should tell you all you need to know about the "Greatest American Rock Band of All Time". Please stop with this bull shit.</div>

Mr Meoff
08-03-2010, 09:20 AM
but my vote for all-time greatest probably has to be the Beach Boys

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 09:21 AM
Journey made the cut but the Boss didn't

If the question was, who is the most overrated musician of all time then the Boss would be a clear winner.

They guy sounds terrible live and has to sing behind a teleprompter so he does not forget the words to his song.

I have never and will never understand the fascination with Bruce. He sings like shit and his songs suck on top of that.Bruce Springsteen has twice the balls of Fred Flinstone. No seriously, Springsteen isbrilliant and he sings with more passion and soul than anyone else I have ever seen.

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 09:22 AM
but my vote for all-time greatest probably has to be the Beach BoysThe Beach Boys are great as well.

JohnDawg
08-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Also, how the Red Hot Chili Peppers did not make that list is beyond me. 27 years of absolute awesomeness. Pearl Jam, equally as awesome.

Also, I'd like to disqualify Dave Matthews Band, since he is, in fact, from South Africa.

Mr Meoff
08-03-2010, 09:28 AM
*

biguglyjoe
08-03-2010, 09:33 AM
I agree that it's bad. I tried to force myself to like it but failed. GnR to me is and always will be Axl, Duff, Izzy and Slash and with/without Steven Adler. Many great groups have laid a turd once in their recording career.

Optimus Prime 4
08-03-2010, 09:39 AM

patdog
08-03-2010, 09:46 AM
nm

VirgilCain
08-03-2010, 09:48 AM
You missed way too many classic rock bands. No, I'm not some old jackass, I'm in my late 20's

futaba.79
08-03-2010, 09:51 AM
The Band, my choice,didn't make the cut - too many Canadians

SnakePlissken
08-03-2010, 09:52 AM
Every band you listed in British except maybe The Band could/would be considered Canadian.

weblow
08-03-2010, 09:52 AM
Journey made the cut but the Boss didn't



If the question was, who is the most overrated musician of all time then the Boss would be a clear winner.

They guy sounds terrible live and has to sing behind a teleprompter so he does not forget the words to his song.

I have never and will never understand the fascination with Bruce. He sings like shit and his songs suck on top of that.Bruce Springsteen has twice the balls of Fred Flinstone. No seriously, Springsteen isbrilliant and he sings with more passion and soul than anyone else I have ever seen.
You really need to get out more. It is tough to put a lot of passion into a song that is being read off of a teleprompter. It is all subjective but the Boss is overrated and sings shitty songs with his shitty voice.

weblow
08-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Anyone who voted for Guns n Roses either has no testicles, or has never listened to the monstrosity that isChinese Democracy. It is easily one of the top 5 worst records of all time.Absolutely ridiculous.

Do you think if you tried real hard, I am talking about putting your shoulder into it, you could have any worse taste in music?

So let me get this straight, the Boss is a fantastic rock n roll band and GNR sucks. Where the hell am I?

ckDOG
08-03-2010, 09:57 AM
http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/9b526591078c3e34c7403a9ecaee7ec0309c09f2.bmp

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 10:00 AM
nm

biguglyjoe
08-03-2010, 10:22 AM
http://fashionforwriters.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/kurt_cobain21.jpg

Cobain was awesome but WTF???

jamdawg96
08-03-2010, 10:23 AM
They originated in Charlottesville. Yeah, Dave is South African, but everyone else in the band was born here. They're also better than most of the bands on this list, in my opinion. They can still crank out some good songs, although their last few albums as a whole have felt a bit mainstream/forced. That said, the early stuff (Remember Two Things - Lillywhite) is pretty incredible, in my opinion.<div>
</div><div>Under the Table and Dreaming is my favorite album, start to finish, of all time.</div>

DesotoCountyDawg
08-03-2010, 10:32 AM

biguglyjoe
08-03-2010, 10:45 AM
****

TR
08-03-2010, 10:50 AM
nm

Dawg in a pile
08-03-2010, 10:53 AM
There are a few great bands on that list, but none of them come near what The Grateful Dead accomplished. They were simply on another level.

hotdigitydog
08-03-2010, 11:14 AM
nt

RonnyAtmosphere
08-03-2010, 11:29 AM
...Jimi Hendrix was, & always will be, the best rock guitar player in the history of mankind.

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 12:09 PM
Anyone who voted for Guns n Roses either has no testicles, or has never listened to the monstrosity that isChinese Democracy. It is easily one of the top 5 worst records of all time.Absolutely ridiculous.

Do you think if you tried real hard, I am talking about putting your shoulder into it, you could have any worse taste in music?

<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">
So let me get this straight, the Boss is a fantastic rock n roll band and GNR sucks. Where the hell am I?</font>Yep, That's right, and I'm not sure where you are, but I'm in America.<div>
</div><div>Have you ever once compared the lyrical content of these two?</div><div>
</div><div>Rose:</div><div>
</div><div>"Take me down to the Paradise City,</div><div>Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty."</div><div>
</div><div>I could have made that up watching a porno, or this:</div><div>
</div><div>"In the Jungle, Welcome to the Jungle</div><div>Watch it bring you to your shununununununun knees, knees,</div><div>I wanna watch you bleed."</div><div>
</div><div>It sounds like Axl was just sitting in the studio thinking: "Hey, perhaps if I threw in a blood reference then airheads like weblow will like this song." So that's what he did and it worked.</div><div>
</div><div>Springsteen:</div><div>
</div><div>"Nuns run bald through Vatican Hall, pregnant,</div><div>Pleadingimmaculate conception."</div><div> </div><div>Pure poeticgenius,or this:</div><div>
</div><div>"The highway's jammed with broken heros on a last chance power drive,</div><div>Everybody's out on the run tonight, but there's no place left to hide.</div><div>Together Wendy we can live with the sadness,</div><div>I'll love you with all the madness in my soul."</div><div>
</div><div>This is one of the most sincere lines I have ever heard, and especially when Bruce sings it.</div><div>
</div><div>
</div><div>
</div><div>In conclusion, Bruce wrote his lyrics for the love of music and Axl wrote his to get rich and get laid. You tell me who is the better musician. I don't give a shit about how "badass" of a guitar player Slash is, because it doesn't even matter. He is so untasteful that it is irrelevant how good he is technically, he is still going to sound bad playing the guitar. Clarence Clemons would kick his ass anyway.</div>

ltreb
08-03-2010, 12:11 PM
..

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 12:14 PM
http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/9b526591078c3e34c7403a9ecaee7ec0309c09f2.bmpbut last time I checked, Axl Rose still sings and the band is still called Guns n Roses. If we are going to compare bands, then we should compare their entire bodies of work, making it obvious to me that Bruce and the E Street Band win going away.

DAWGS1
08-03-2010, 12:35 PM
nm

vhdawg
08-03-2010, 12:49 PM
.....that it wasn't Slash that wrote most of the music, it was Izzy Stradlin along with Duff McKagan. It was when Izzy got sick of Axl's shit and bailed out halfway through Use Your Illusion that was the beginning of the end. Musically the band was never the same.

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 12:58 PM
.....that it wasn't Slash that wrote most of the music, it was Izzy Stradlin along with Duff McKagan. It was when Izzy got sick of Axl's shit and bailed out halfway through Use Your Illusion that was the beginning of the end. Musically the band was never the same.I guess my opinion is a bit unfair when comparing post-1993 Guns n Roses to pre-1993 Guns n Roses considering I think they were shit then too. They are ranker shit now, no doubt about that, but they were shit nonetheless.

LewisNixon
08-03-2010, 01:07 PM
The Eagles, really?

AzzurriDawg4
08-03-2010, 01:15 PM
I did it based on what people said in an earlier thread. This isnt my list.

What other 8 would you include?

VirgilCain
08-03-2010, 01:15 PM
also, I would probably add the Doobie Brothers to the list then. Also, James Taylor if he is not excluded by the wording for "band".

VirgilCain
08-03-2010, 01:25 PM
you're way to excited to put in a "cyber" jab to my obvious misreading of the topic post

jackstefano
08-03-2010, 01:27 PM
The New York Dolls.

weblow
08-03-2010, 01:44 PM
.....that it wasn't Slash that wrote most of the music, it was Izzy Stradlin along with Duff McKagan. It was when Izzy got sick of Axl's shit and bailed out halfway through Use Your Illusion that was the beginning of the end. Musically the band was never the same.
It is blatantly obvious that he suffers from tremendous hearing loss and piss poor taste in music.



The best thing to do in this type of situation is to just stop feeding him.

muscleshoalssound
08-03-2010, 02:11 PM
.....that it wasn't Slash that wrote most of the music, it was Izzy Stradlin along with Duff McKagan. It was when Izzy got sick of Axl's shit and bailed out halfway through Use Your Illusion that was the beginning of the end. Musically the band was never the same.
It is blatantly obvious that he suffers from tremendous hearing loss and piss poor taste in music.



The best thing to do in this type of situation is to just stop feeding him.You might be the most ignorant poster I have ever been forced to read, and I have been a member of half a dozen different message boards.

KurtRambis4
08-03-2010, 02:20 PM
This is your best post ever.

weblow
08-03-2010, 02:29 PM
.....that it wasn't Slash that wrote most of the music, it was Izzy Stradlin along with Duff McKagan. It was when Izzy got sick of Axl's shit and bailed out halfway through Use Your Illusion that was the beginning of the end. Musically the band was never the same.

It is blatantly obvious that he suffers from tremendous hearing loss and piss poor taste in music.



The best thing to do in this type of situation is to just stop feeding him.You might be the most ignorant poster I have ever been forced to read, and I have been a member of half a dozen different message boards.
A member of over a half dozen message boards.

A serious hearing disorder, a tremendously bad taste in music, and to top it all off, a master of message boards.

The lady that is with you is one lucky girl. I hope she know what a catch she has.
I would love to have you explain music and message boards to me when you get a chance. Feel free to PM me with any advice on how I could be a better poster.

I will be waiting on your witty reply. With all of your message board experience, I bet it is going to be one for the ages.



http://robotpirateninja.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/inet_tough_guy.jpg



whenever you are ready to head to the vet school, you just let me know.

mstateglfr
08-03-2010, 02:53 PM
The man is pure musical genius. The band is one of, if not THE, most entertaining shows ever.

BIG MAN, ASSIST ME PLEASE!

biguglyjoe
08-03-2010, 02:55 PM
They sound great and the tickets are $19.99 or so.