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    So we rolled into Destin for the first time in 15 yrs, last night....

    Was really glad to see the Pandemic has been postponed here..


    Yeah, I know Iím part of the problem. But it was weird as hell. Other than a few signs on doors, you would never have a clue that Covid was a thing. I saw one single person wearing a mask. I felt like my 4 months of caution was completely wasted last night.
    Had to meet extended family for a very late dinner.

    Afraid Iím going to be the asshole of the bunch the rest of the week.


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    I experienced the same at Orange Beach about a month ago. The Perdido area was quieter than normal, but OB was business as usual. Any talks of closing beaches there?


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    In Destin right now as well. The restaurants we saw were absolutely packed. Went to Winn Dixie and about 40% had masks on. We decided that we are not going out to eat while we are down here.


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    Just got back Thursday, we went down the prior Saturday and thought the place would be shut down after FL had over 9,000 reported positives in one day. It was business as usual! Now late night bars were closed but if they sold food they were open and busy!

    we had a blast, visit Shunk Gulley Oyster Bar on West end of 30A. Cool place.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrydawg View Post
    Just got back Thursday, we went down the prior Saturday and thought the place would be shut down after FL had over 9,000 reported positives in one day. It was business as usual! Now late night bars were closed but if they sold food they were open and busy!

    we had a blast, visit Shunk Gulley Oyster Bar on West end of 30A. Cool place.....
    It isnít shut down because the cases are largely in young people And the death rate nationwide continues to plummet.


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    We should still be exercising common sense with distancing & masks to help diminish the spread.

    Quote Originally Posted by campshelbydog842003 View Post
    It isnít shut down because the cases are largely in young people And the death rate nationwide continues to plummet.


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    Sounds like an abundance of poors


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    When all the hospital beds are full the states and feds will have to come in and inject "common sense" into the situation since there dosen't seem to be much available within the "herd".


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    Went to Seaside a couple of weeks ago. The community and businesses were doing all they could to stay open. Beach access was limited to guests, and you had to rent beach chairs set up 6ft apart. Streets were closed off, allowing restaurants to have more outdoor seating. Even the Airstream food trucks were set up for online pre-ordering to limit the crowded lines. Masks were required for indoor businesses.

    On the other hand, there were massive crowds of teenagers just hanging out. Of course you could tell there were big house parties going on as well. I understand they put in a 8PM curfew shortly after we left, I don't know how that's working out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Grove Dawg View Post
    We should still be exercising common sense with distancing & masks to help diminish the spread.
    Or we could just quarantine the old people and let other people live their lives normally otherwise since they have a slightly above zero chance Of dying from this. If you’re in a spot that old people must go to it would be advisable to wear a mask and social distance. If you are in a place that old people don’t need to be in anyway if they are truly concerned about COVID (like the beach or restaurants), that’s a “them” problem for being there to start with.
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    Define ďold peopleĒ please.

    Quote Originally Posted by campshelbydog842003 View Post
    Or we could just quarantine the old people and let people live their lives normally otherwise since they have a slightly above zero chance Of dying from this. If youíre in a spot that old people must go to it would probably be advisable to wear a mask and social distance. If you are in a place that old people donít need to be in anyway if they are truly concerned about COVID (like the beach or restaurants), thatís a ďthemĒ problem for being there to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddog View Post
    Define ďold peopleĒ please.
    60 and above....I mean anyone under that is welcome to do it as well if they would like. They are not going to die from COVID either way more than likely (if they are under 60) but itís their life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatsbaseball View Post
    When all the hospital beds are full the states and feds will have to come in and inject "common sense" into the situation since there dosen't seem to be much available within the "herd".
    Keep holding onto that fear porn BS.

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    It will be years or decades for a vaccine... the average time for vaccines to be developed is around 11 years.... Ebola vaccine took 5 years... They have been working on a Herpes Vaccine around 100 years and HIV 30+ years after originally thinking they would have one in 2-3 years.... One positive is that we have more experience finding vaccines for a Respiratory Virus than most other viruses....


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    And covid is a corona virus which the four typical corona viruses are the common cold. Then there was SARS and MERS which never had a vaccine developed for them and boy they sure are still rampant aren't they*** God bless America and all the good people including the ones buying into the hysteria!


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    Some experts seem to think we have a better chance of getting therapeutic drugs before the vaccine. Let's hope so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by campshelbydog842003 View Post
    Or we could just quarantine the old people and let other people live their lives normally otherwise since they have a slightly above zero chance Of dying from this. If youíre in a spot that old people must go to it would be advisable to wear a mask and social distance. If you are in a place that old people donít need to be in anyway if they are truly concerned about COVID (like the beach or restaurants), thatís a ďthemĒ problem for being there to start with.
    Haha, are you 17ing serious right now? Old people shouldnít be at the beach? Maybe you are just totally clueless about the demographics of the entire state of Florida, but its the 2nd oldest state in the country by population. Thereís a reason for that, and itís not because senior citizens just love Publix and Tom Thumb gas stations. And there are millions more who live there part time that donít count towards the population.


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    You seem well versed, your thoughts on this ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Budaw View Post
    Haha, are you 17ing serious right now? Old people shouldnít be at the beach? Maybe you are just totally clueless about the demographics of the entire state of Florida, but its the 2nd oldest state in the country by population. Thereís a reason for that, and itís not because senior citizens just love Publix and Tom Thumb gas stations. And there are millions more who live there part time that donít count towards the population.
    If they want to go to the beach thatís fine. I would not really advise it but itís not really my job to stop them. If they are comfortable with the risks then have at it. Iím not going to be doing anything differently at places where at risk people donít have to go though. If they are worried about the virus then donít go to highly populated areas that you arenít required to go to.


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    Either the beds will fill up or they won't...if they do the authorities will be forced to act because the choices people are making now are making things worse. If this is over your head I can't help you.


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    I mean, yea. It's just the flu that will disappear when the warm weather gets here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by campshelbydog842003 View Post
    If they want to go to the beach that’s fine. I would not really advise it but it’s not really my job to stop them. If they are comfortable with the risks then have at it. I’m not going to be doing anything differently at places where at risk people don’t have to go though. If they are worried about the virus then don’t go to highly populated areas that you aren’t required to go to.
    So you “wouldn’t really advise” that people should go into what is basically the back yard of properties they spent 7 figure sums of their net worth in procuring so that they could enjoy their golden years? How thoughtful. I guess they should all just never leave their bedroom so the millions of tourists from out of town can have their fun. No reason to expect said tourists and outsiders to take even basic precautions that could protect everyone, including a disproportionately large percentage of the local population. Not even to mention that a lot of those tourists are senior citizens themselves, and booked their favorite condo / resort / house many months in advance before the pandemic was even a thing.
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    I think you will find that comorbidities play a bigger factor than age alone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Budaw View Post
    So you “wouldn’t really advise” that people should go into what is basically the back yard of properties they spent 7 figure sums of their net worth in procuring so that they could enjoy their golden years? How thoughtful. I guess they should all just never leave their bedroom so the millions of tourists from out of town can have their fun. No reason to expect said tourists and outsiders to take even basic precautions that could protect everyone, including a disproportionately large percentage of the local population. Not even to mention that a lot of those tourists are senior citizens themselves, and booked their favorite condo / resort / house many months in advance before the pandemic was even a thing.
    If you are worried about catching covid and the difference between you deciding whether or not it is worth the risk to go somewhere is whether or not everyone else is going to have on a cloth mask, you are an extremely stupid human being. No, I’m not wearing a mask at the beach when it’s 100 degrees outside. 17 anyone who shames anyone else for that stupid shit. If you are scared of covid, stay away from other people. If you are going to a common area that is required to go to for living purposes such as the grocery store, wear a mask and be courteous to people who may be there and have to live with old people.

    Also, I have a property there, so you can take that elitist 7 figure shit somewhere else. I’m not a tourist.
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    Am I missing something?

    It looks to me like the cause of increased cases is a significant ramp up in testing. Unless I am reading this graph incorrectly, it appears that nearly twice as many test are being performed per day that a month ago. Granted that the percentage of positive test are rising, but not at the same rate of test per day. If you ramp up testing, shouldn't more cases be expected?

    http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states


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    Today I learned that skipping a beach vacation for the year due to a yet untreatable, highly contagious virus is buying into the hysteria. And just because the death rate is low doesnít mean that it wonít leave you with health issues that youíll have to deal with later in life. Simply not worth the risk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by campshelbydog842003 View Post
    If you are worried about catching covid and the difference between you deciding whether or not it is worth the risk to go somewhere and the deciding factor for you is whether or not everyone else is
    going to have on a cloth mask, you are an extremely stupid human being. No, Iím not wearing a mask at the beach when itís 100 degrees outside. 17 anyone who shames anyone else for that stupid shit. If you are scared of covid, stay away from other people. If you are going to a common area that is required to go to for living purposes such as the grocery store, wear a mask and be courteous to people who may be there and have to live with old people.
    Nowhere has anyone said ďwear a mask at the beachĒ. But youíve been on here saying ďwe should quarantine old peopleĒ, and saying they should more or less deal with this in solitude, even though they have to grocery shop and occasionally eat out just like everyone else. And they are a much larger percentage of the population in pretty much every beach area than anywhere else in the country, so itís very much a concern that those areas are where people are taking the precautions the least seriously (talking businesses as well as individuals).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Budaw View Post
    Nowhere has anyone said “wear a mask at the beach”. But you’ve been on here saying “we should quarantine old people”, and saying they should more or less deal with this in solitude, even though they have to grocery shop and occasionally eat out just like everyone else. And they are a much larger percentage of the population in pretty much every beach area than anywhere else in the country, so it’s very much a concern that those areas are where people are taking the precautions the least seriously (talking businesses as well as individuals).
    This entire back and forth started because you talked about people taking proper precautions at the beach for old people. What were you talking about? If someone has a 7 figure home on the beach, it’s a private access spot. When I said old people should quarantine, I meant it to be a self quarantine and only if they felt it necessary. Certainly not mandatory. If they don’t feel it’s necessary for them to stay away from large gatherings during a pandemic that only hurts people their age, then that’s their own problem. The virus spreading rapidly through the healthy non at risk crowd would absolutely be the best thing possible unless someone is going to pull a vaccine out of their ass really fast. If the information changes and it looks like we could get a vaccine relatively fast, my stance would change. That doesn’t look likely at the moment.
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    Interesting article.

    https://theconversation.com/coronavi...Zk4Dpw8U4M1kYk

    It may explain why certain countries are seeing a rapid decline in the severity of the disease. It isn’t much of a coincidence either that you are seeing “hot spots” which are places that initially had very little exposure to the virus.


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    And you are welcome to your opinion as well as I am to mine. Ain't America grand!


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    Dirty little secret, it is treatable just not curable much like the common cold which is what the subset of corona viruses are!


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    You get MERS from camels and SARS from sick folks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullldawg78 View Post
    And covid is a corona virus which the four typical corona viruses are the common cold. Then there was SARS and MERS which never had a vaccine developed for them and boy they sure are still rampant aren't they*** God bless America and all the good people including the ones buying into the hysteria!
    Covid is far less deadly than those two but far more infectious and passes from people who have no idea they have the virus. Surely even the most skeptical of us can see why that's a problem? SARS and MERS you could lock down the sick folks and realistically contain an outbreak and have the virus naturally fizzle out.

    We don't have that luxury bc it would be insane to lock down entire hot spot populations and equally insane to aspire to a quick natural herd immunity and face the consequences from that. The only reasonable approach is to use your head, keep distance, and wear a mask when you can't indoors. That slows the spread to a manageable levels between now and the point in time a reasonable treatment, a vaccine is available, we get herd immunity, or virus mutates to only being passed while symptomatic.

    If my choices are a) lockdown, b) wildfire spread to achieve herd immunity and c) moderate behavioral changes and a 1/10 oz piece of cloth on my face, I choose C. Not really hysterical at all. Hell, I have a beach trip planned for Florida in a few weeks. I have no worries about it either bc all option C requires of me is a a mask when I make a grocery trip or beer run. Normally we'd go out to eat, but if we don't want to cook it'll be takeout instead. Life goes on and still pretty well for those of us that feel we have an obligation to make a few reasonable life adjustments until a bad situation gets better. Not that hard.


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    LOL In Florida (especially certain parts) the biggest comorbidity to a politician's health is pissing off old people. They live there and vote there. These pols are trying to do a hell of a balancing act by keeping the tourist dollars flowing and not turn their back on the old and in many cases rich constituents. Looks to me like both sides will need to give up a little ground to make this thing work.


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    Very likely that herd immunity is much lower than "typical"

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Ron View Post
    Interesting article.

    https://theconversation.com/coronavi...Zk4Dpw8U4M1kYk

    It may explain why certain countries are seeing a rapid decline in the severity of the disease. It isnít much of a coincidence either that you are seeing ďhot spotsĒ which are places that initially had very little exposure to the virus.
    I say that since children don't appear to be getting sick and transmitting like the rest of the population. If you take out 20 percent of the population from the equation, that's a nice head start.

    It just sucks that all this stuff has to be observed in real time. If we had all the facts that we will have at the end of this thing available, life would have been a lot different these last 6 months.


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    Interesting read here as well from Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/10898756073...4171296214278/

    "It's just a mask" can turn into "it's just a vaccine" very quickly. And it will, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!
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    In less than 5 months, our government has successfully divided the country into "obedient mask wearers" versus "selfish people that refuse to wear masks".
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    "It's just a mask, you guys". It's for "the greater good"!
    Where have we heard this phrase before?��
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    In less than 5 months, our government has dictated what events are acceptable versus unacceptable to attend. Riots are OK, family funerals are not. Standing in a graduation line is a "safety hazard", but feel free to line up at WalMart, Lowes, and Home Depot.
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    But it's "just a mask" & "safety precautions", you guys.
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    In less than 5 months, our government successfully facilitated the closing of family-owned businesses while granting authority to large corporations that they have invested interests in.
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    It's "just a mask" and "safety precautions" you guys. Oh & here's a measly $1200 that we stole from you in the first place. Enjoy!
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    In less than 5 months, our government was able to successfully sway the population into believing that a CASHLESS SOCIETY is a good thing! In the name of a government sponsored virus.
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    In less than 5 months, our government closed down public schools, and has "restructured" school moving forward under the guise of "public safety" from a "virus". These same schools fed children crap per the corrupt USDA food pyramid. But "health" matters when it comes to a government sponsored virus ��
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    It's "just a mask" & "heightened safety precautions", you guys.
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    In less than 5 months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to "guidelines" (that have NO scientific premise whatsoever) when they are fearful.
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    What was up with all that toilet paper?
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    It's "just a mask" & "6 foot social distancing", you guys. Oh, and dooky paper.
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    In less than 5 months, our government has successfully instilled fear in a majority of the population.
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    But citizens are not "afraid" of the people in power who are responsible for the removal of their "freedoms". Instead, they're fearful of their neighbors and family, human touch, and air.
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    There are thousands of viruses that *could* affect the population, but these viruses do not matter because MSM didn't say they do.
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    It's absolutely terrifying to me that so many people do not question authority because they see that authority as "all knowing." It's even more terrifying that these same people rely on corrupt "leaders" to be led, thus lacking all critical thinking skills/independence.
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    Slaves to the system that keeps them oppressed.
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    How quickly history is forgotten and repeated!
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    What's most problematic to me about all of this is that the people who are wearing masks "for the greater good" will be the first to sign up for this shiny new vaccine that's had 0 longitudinal safety tests against an inert placebo.
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    What's more problematic to me is that this Vaccine MAY be the deciding factor in life moving forward.
    You thought a mask was inconvenient? Wait until you're told that you cannot enter a store without proof of the Covid-19 vaccine. Wait until you cannot go to public events, or travel, without proof of having received this vaccine.
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    To everyone that doesn't believe this is possible - do you understand that our government just successfully dictated to people WHEN they were allowed to be outside, where they were allowed to go, and how their children would be educated, in less than 5 months? And that a majority of the population followed blindly because they were told to do so.
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    You're kidding yourself if you believe that they're not going to repeat this behavior with a vaccine.
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    If people have not protested the occurrences in America over the last 5 months, they will assuredly continue to abide by unsubstantiated "guidelines" that will include a vaccine.
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    The historical trends for positive cases tell garbage stories

    Quote Originally Posted by natchezdawg View Post
    It looks to me like the cause of increased cases is a significant ramp up in testing. Unless I am reading this graph incorrectly, it appears that nearly twice as many test are being performed per day that a month ago. Granted that the percentage of positive test are rising, but not at the same rate of test per day. If you ramp up testing, shouldn't more cases be expected?

    http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states
    CDC recently said that up to 10x many folks were positive in the early states of the virus. These scary looking graphs don't factor that in at all. There should be a mountain of cases in the early parts of those charts that never show up. If that mountain were there, the case graphs that the media loves showing would look far less intimidating.

    However, the trends from the last month or so are of better quality and positivity rates increasing should be concerning. But even that shouldn't cause panic. Hospitalizations and deaths are far more objective in measuring how we are doing. Increasing positivity rates should get local policy makers and health officials attention, but doesn't mean the world is ending. We are sort of at that point here in Shelby county. They put in a mask mandate yesterday. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks as a result of that. We were close to opening up even further, but we had a Memorial Day flare up that needs to be managed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullldawg78 View Post
    ...much like the common cold which is what the subset of corona viruses are!
    So? Humans and chimps are over 95% the same genetically, but I think even someone closer to being 100% similar like yourself can see how that few percent difference might matter.


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    850 checking in, I will eat steak & shrimp, drink bourbon, swim in the Gulf and watch fireworks tonight...that feels like Freedom to me.

    Because a wearing a hot stuffy mask and sitting in my house in some psuedo "Lockdown" quarantine - living in FEAR as they tell me that 90 quadrillion people were confirmed infected today just doesn't sound like a fun way to celebrate my Freedom on the 4th of July.

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    Maybe the ďold peopleĒ should live their lives and people like you should be quarantined since your age group is the one spreading the virus, not wearing masks or social distancing. Se I can be as self centered as you


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    Last week in Gulf Shores I went to Acme Oyster House at 5pm. Before my party of 3 was called a party of 18 and 13 were called. Ridiculous. Employees wore mask but that's it.


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