Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1

    OT -- Let me say the CDC Contact Tracing stuff is BS!!!

    My daughter 14 years old was quarantined from school on November 18, 2020 because she was in close contact with a positive COVID student on November 17 for more than 15 minutes. Therefore the CDC states that she must quarantine until December 2, 2020 (14 days). We asked the school if her 11 year old sister is required to quarantine as well. They said no, she wasn't exposed directly. The older sister has had no symptoms to date. We got her a test on Sunday November 22 a full 5 days into quarantine because everything we have seen states the incubation period is 2-5 days. The test was negative for her and her sister. Despite the negative test which was 5 days after, she still can't go back to school until 12/2/20. For us and her this is not a huge deal as Thanksgiving was last week and they were out anyway.

    However, I have so many questions about the process.

    1. If the incubation period is 2-5 days why can she not go back after day 5 with a negative test?
    2. Why does her sister an 11 year old and in different classes not required to quarantine?
    3. if Nick Saban can go back to coaching after 5 days of negative testing (which happened earlier in the year not this latest time, right before they played UGA) why can't my daughter resume normal activities?

    Yes covid is real and should be taken seriously, but these mixed messages that are going out is crazy and makes liberals and conservatives alike question what the hell anyone is doing.


    6 out of 12 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  2. #2
    BiscuitEater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Williamsburg Virginia
    Posts
    3,998
    Read the John Hopkins COVID 19 study released last week if you can find it on-line.. Was recalled soon after publication ... Said ZERO increase in deaths over the past year. Normal death rates across EVERY age group.

    Older folks die at a greater rate than young dudes ... who knew?


    4 out of 13 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Baton Rouge
    Posts
    497
    Quote Originally Posted by BiscuitEater View Post
    Read the John Hopkins COVID 19 study released last week if you can find it on-line.. Was recalled soon after publication ... Said ZERO increase in deaths over the past year. Normal death rates across EVERY age group.

    Older folks die at a greater rate than young dudes ... who knew?
    Wait, what?


    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan61 View Post
    My daughter 14 years old was quarantined from school on November 18, 2020 because she was in close contact with a positive COVID student on November 17 for more than 15 minutes. Therefore the CDC states that she must quarantine until December 2, 2020 (14 days). We asked the school if her 11 year old sister is required to quarantine as well. They said no, she wasn't exposed directly. The older sister has had no symptoms to date. We got her a test on Sunday November 22 a full 5 days into quarantine because everything we have seen states the incubation period is 2-5 days. The test was negative for her and her sister. Despite the negative test which was 5 days after, she still can't go back to school until 12/2/20. For us and her this is not a huge deal as Thanksgiving was last week and they were out anyway.

    However, I have so many questions about the process.

    1. If the incubation period is 2-5 days why can she not go back after day 5 with a negative test?
    2. Why does her sister an 11 year old and in different classes not required to quarantine?
    3. if Nick Saban can go back to coaching after 5 days of negative testing (which happened earlier in the year not this latest time, right before they played UGA) why can't my daughter resume normal activities?

    Yes covid is real and should be taken seriously, but these mixed messages that are going out is crazy and makes liberals and conservatives alike question what the hell anyone is doing.
    W/R/T No. 1: 2-5 days is the typical incubation period, but there are cases of incubation taking longer. 97.5% of people that will show symptoms will show symptoms within 11.5 days of exposure. I'm not sure if exposure is measured from the first exposure (in which case probably more then 97.5% of people will show symptoms within 11.5 days of when they actually caught the virus) or last known exposure to the virus. That said, I would agree that for school aged children, 14 days after exposure is probably ridiculous and driven more by the need to look like they are taking measures than any reasonable cost/benefit analysis. I have relatives whose children go to schools that don't do any quarantine of a class when there is a positive case, and they don't seem to have any more school spread than our schools do.

    W/R/T No. 2: You have to draw the line somewhere and they draw the line at direct exposure. I think they might be more effective if they shortened the quarantine period to 5 days and also included people from their household, but I'm just glad they have not taken the "if it saves just one life" approach that seems to be the norm with most virus related restrictions.

    W/R/T No. 3: Saban was determined to have had a false positive because he had three negatives immediately following the positive test result. But even now that he presumably actually has the virus, he will be able to return the later of 10 days after initial testing or 24 hours after symptoms resolve without medication. That is because they believe that the typical infected person doesn't have a significant enough viral load to be contagious after symptoms have resolved and ten days have passed. Supposedly some healthcare facilities are just doing 24 hours after symptoms resolve like they do with other viruses because they are so short staffed.

    But yes, the inconsistency of when policy makers perform a reasonable cost benefit analysis and when they don't definitely results in less compliance than we might otherwise have.


    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by BiscuitEater View Post
    Read the John Hopkins COVID 19 study released last week if you can find it on-line.. Was recalled soon after publication ... Said ZERO increase in deaths over the past year. Normal death rates across EVERY age group.

    Older folks die at a greater rate than young dudes ... who knew?
    The explanation for that claim is here.


    1 out of 1 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  6. #6
    L4Dawg - Version 2.0
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    Posts
    218
    1. 5 days isn't long enough. New guidelines may be about to come out. If they do it it will be 7 days without symptoms and then a negative test. 14 days if no test without symptoms.
    2. It's direct contact only, at least here. Other countries are more draconian.
    3. Saban had a false positive. He tested negative on three successive days.


    4 out of 5 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by turkish View Post
    Wait, what?
    A story about the paper s here:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iO0...NNY0X-Xw5/view

    An article about the paper is here:
    https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...ue-to-covid-19

    Basically the webinar (according to the summary) states that COVID 19 is largely displacing deaths that were likely to occur due to other pre-existing conditions. Not entirely shocking at this point since we know the vast majority of healthy people survive the virus. A lot of the deaths would have occurred without COVID and to the extent they wouldn't have, the increased deaths are not so great that they are outside of the normal noise in the data, so it's hard to pick up a defnite uptick in total deaths. Any increase in total deaths is also probably offset to an extent by a reduction in deaths due to things like less driving, but then there are things like more suicides caused by our policy response to the pandemic, and at the end of the day, the net changes results in total deaths that are basically in a normal range.
    Last edited by johnson86-1; 11-30-2020 at 06:22 PM.


    2 out of 2 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  8. #8
    L4Dawg - Version 2.0
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    Posts
    218
    Quote Originally Posted by Raiderdawg View Post
    The explanation for that claim is here.
    That is the last figure I saw, a few weeks ago. We were around 300k excess deaths so far this year.


    5 out of 6 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Shankly View Post
    1. 5 days isn't long enough. New guidelines may be about to come out. If they do it it will be 7 days without symptoms and then a negative test. 14 days if no test without symptoms.
    2. It's direct contact only, at least here. Other countries are more draconian.
    3. Saban had a false positive. He tested negative on three successive days.
    5 days isn't long enough to stop all cases, but it will catch most of them, especially if paired with a test. Expanding it to include their household plus the potential that people will actually comply would maybe be enough to offset the cases that become symptomatic after 5 days.


    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  10. #10
    L4Dawg - Version 2.0
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    Posts
    218
    Quote Originally Posted by johnson86-1 View Post
    5 days isn't long enough to stop all cases, but it will catch most of them, especially if paired with a test. Expanding it to include their household plus the potential that people will actually comply would maybe be enough to offset the cases that become symptomatic after 5 days.
    The stuff I have seen said 2-7days to show a positive if no symptoms are present yet. I'll defer to the CDC there. It looks like the rec will be 7 days and then the test.


    1 out of 2 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by BiscuitEater View Post
    Read the John Hopkins COVID 19 study released last week if you can find it on-line.. Was recalled soon after publication ... Said ZERO increase in deaths over the past year. Normal death rates across EVERY age group.

    Older folks die at a greater rate than young dudes ... who knew?
    Coroner in Desoto County said the same thing a couple of months back.


    1 out of 2 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Shankly View Post
    1. 5 days isn't long enough. New guidelines may be about to come out. If they do it it will be 7 days without symptoms and then a negative test. 14 days if no test without symptoms.
    2. It's direct contact only, at least here. Other countries are more draconian.
    3. Saban had a false positive. He tested negative on three successive days.
    It's ridiculous to let a positive Covid case return at 10 days from a positive and lockdown contact tracing to 14 days. If you don't have it after 10 days, you aren't getting it. Hope the 7 days happens.


    2 out of 2 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  13. #13
    Maroon Eagle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    A Vienna Sewer Tunnel
    Posts
    10,063
    Yep. I was explaining that 300K figure a few days ago to childhood friends and that almost a third of the deaths are because people aren’t going to the hospital for their non-covid sicknesses and/or hospitals are too swamped to treat them.


    1 out of 1 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan61 View Post
    However, I have so many questions about the process.

    1. If the incubation period is 2-5 days why can she not go back after day 5 with a negative test?
    2. Why does her sister an 11 year old and in different classes not required to quarantine?
    3. if Nick Saban can go back to coaching after 5 days of negative testing (which happened earlier in the year not this latest time, right before they played UGA) why can't my daughter resume normal activities?

    doing.
    1- Google it. Your range is wrong.
    2- Google it. But your question is so disconnected that even Google may not have an answer.
    3- Google it. You don't know the events.


    2 out of 4 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
    1- Google it. Your range is wrong.
    2- Google it. But your question is so disconnected that even Google may not have an answer.
    3- Google it. You don't know the events.
    Wokes are coronabros too - whodathunkit??

    A new flu strain kills the weak at a higher rate -whodathunkit??

    Winter causes people to gather inside causing a 2nd wave at much lesser death rate because the weak died in the first wave whodathunkit??

    You can google what you want to find


    1 out of 6 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

  16. #16
    Plastic Water Jugs...future generations are gonna laugh their tits off at us.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	coronavirus-masks3.jpg 
Views:	9 
Size:	225.9 KB 
ID:	18841


    0 out of 1 sixpackers like this post
    Towel Whips | Busted Lips Yes | No

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
SixPack Sponsors






Disclaimer: Neither this message board nor its rules and regulations are associated with Mississippi State University or any other Mississippi State sports website. Neither this message board nor its rules and regulations are associated with Scottish & Newcastle PLC d/b/a Bulldog Strong Ale. The views and opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the post author. The contents of this page have not been reviewed or approved by SixPackSpeak.com. The interactive nature of the SixPackSpeak.com Discussion Forums makes it impossible for SixPackSpeak.com to assume responsibility for any of the content, including photographs and/or images, posted by participants. The ideas, suggestions, thoughts, recommendations, opinions, comments, advice, and observations made by participants of the interactive Discussion Forums are not endorsed by SixPackSpeak.com.