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    I never said he wasn't a good QB, just responded to the guy that said he was "real good" at Texas. I'd be excited to have a QB like him, however my whole point is, I don't see how some of yall are predicting 7 and 8 and some predicted 9 wins when he hasn't done anything yet. This is the SEC, not mop up minutes against Baylor, North Texas, Rice, etc.


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    I hear how great Ole Miss's next QB is going to be. Spurlock, Lane, Shaffer, and now Snead. I'll believe it when I see it. He wasn't good enough to beat out a no so spectacular QB a Texas. Big deal. I'm sure he is talented and he probably will have modest success, but don't expect him to be All-SEC.

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    I could see through the bullshit with Spurlock, Lane and Schaeffer. All three did about how I expected them to. I expect Snead to actually be a good QB for them. I wish we had him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonedaddy401
    He wasn't good enough to beat out a no so spectacular QB a Texas.
    Yeah, based on the stats below, Colt McCoy is nothing spectacular.

    Stat Overview Passing
    YEAR CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
    2006 217 318 2570 68.2 8.08 72 29 7 14 161.82

    He broke the UT record for most TD's in a season as a redshirt freshman. He also tied the NCAA mark for most TD's thrown in a season by a freshman. He finished 8th in NCAA passing effeciency as a freaking redshirt freshman.

    http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank....sseff&site=org

    McCoy was a year ahead of Snead by virtue of a redshirt when they battled for the starting position in 2006. Who could blame the dude for transferring after the season McCoy had.


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    Team A went 8-5 last year, Team B went 3-9 last year. Team A returns a lot of starters. Team B's home venue is not exactly Tiger Stadium. And you don't understand why Team A would be a preseason favorite to win that game? Well, that about sums up your sports knowledge.
    I hate to correct the general but Team B is favored over Team A on every Vegas sportsbook that allows future bets on that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonedaddy401
    I hear how great Ole Miss's next QB is going to be. Spurlock, Lane, Shaffer, and now Snead. I'll believe it when I see it. He wasn't good enough to beat out a not so spectacular QB a Texas. Big deal. I'm sure he is talented and he probably will have modest success, but don't expect him to be All-SEC.
    He's getting the 10th best odds to win the Heisman. Not so spectacular indeed.


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    judge quarterbacks by freshman records look at Wesley Carroll and the interception record he came within one pass of breaking. Colt McCoy is not an elite QB in my mind. He is a good one but not a elite college quarterback. That isn't the debate. I think Sneed will have a positive Career at Ole Miss but I don't think he will light the world on fire. I wish we had him also. As I have said before I don't think Wesley Carroll is a truly SEC caliber QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonedaddy401
    judge quarterbacks by freshman records look at Wesley Carroll and the interception record he came within one pass of breaking. Colt McCoy is not an elite QB in my mind. He is a good one but not a elite college quarterback. That isn't the debate. I think Sneed will have a positive Career at Ole Miss but I don't think he will light the world on fire. I wish we had him also. As I have said before I don't think Wesley Carroll is a truly SEC caliber QB.
    You said that Snead was not good enough to be out a "not so spectacular" McCoy.

    I didn't see anyone call Snead or McCoy All-Americans. However, now that you are looking like a dumbass, you change the debate to "not an elite college QB" . So to recap, you changed your arguement from McCoy was a "not so spectacular QB" to "not an elite college QB".

    Nobody is saying he is Peyton Manning, but the guy is pretty @@*!@%! good.


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    but what happens if he breaks his leg the first game? We went through two qbs last year to get to Carroll, and I believe Snead opts to run the ball more, even worse odds when you play ball in the SEC. I think the collective orgasm that the ole miss folks are having over this kid is normal for their fan base. We all remember the 'cut above' and 'duece for heisman' stickers, and how many folks put those stupid "O" the coach stickers on their cars? I think if the kid makes it through the season he will be pretty good, especially if they find a running game.
    As for suprise team in the SEC, I think its South Carolina, and if Im wrong, they probably have a new coach next year, either way, ole miss doesnt beat them like most of their fans are predicting.

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    Holiday Inn Express of Starkville Preseason Prognosticators - Week 11 - Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by bonedaddy401
    judge quarterbacks by freshman records look at Wesley Carroll and the interception record he came within one pass of breaking. Colt McCoy is not an elite QB in
    my mind. He is a good one but not a elite college quarterback. That isn't the debate. I think Sneed will have a positive Career at Ole Miss but I don't
    think he will light the world on fire. I wish we had him also. As I have said before I don't think Wesley Carroll is a truly SEC caliber QB.



    Comparing Carroll's throws without a pick string to McCoy's TD record and 160+ passer rating is stretching it at best. McCoy was one of the best QBs in the country the year he beat out Snead.

    That said, McCoy's season has nothing to do with Snead's ability. He could still suck this year, but still, getting beat out by McCoy isn't something to be ashamed of.

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    I would have thought the actual stats I posted would have been how one would evaluate McCoy's season in 2006.

    Evidently the poster just cherrypicked the quote about the freshman record McCoy set. Nevermind all the games he at UT he started in (first UT freshman QB since 1944), all the games he won, the thousands of yards he threw for, his great TD/Int ratio, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel law
    Team A went 8-5 last year, Team B went 3-9 last year. Team A returns a lot of starters. Team B's home venue is not exactly Tiger Stadium. And you don't understand why Team A would be a preseason favorite to win that game? Well, that about sums up your sports knowledge.
    I hate to correct the general but Team B is favored over Team A on every Vegas sportsbook that allows future bets on that game.
    Vegas has also set the O/U on wins this season at 6.5 for MSU and 5.5 for OM. Are you ready to admit that MSu will win more games than OM will?


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    4-8 Mississippi needs 1 more year with coach and system......

    The wild Rebel will be no different than the wild Hawg less Dmac.........

    Nutt will have to build back a winning attitude that takes more time than 1 year.................

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    The Rebels defeat Memphis, Samford, Vanderbilt, ULM, and MSU. Arkansas is a possibility, but I'm going with the Hogs at home, and since Ole Miss has the home field Egg Bowl advantage, I'll go with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatfieldms
    Quote Originally Posted by rebel law
    Team A went 8-5 last year, Team B went 3-9 last year. Team A returns a lot of starters. Team B's home venue is not exactly Tiger Stadium. And you
    don't understand why Team A would be a preseason favorite to win that game? Well, that about sums up your sports knowledge.
    I hate to correct the general but Team B is favored over Team A on every Vegas sportsbook that allows future bets on that game.
    Vegas has also set the O/U on wins this season at 6.5 for MSU and 5.5 for OM. Are you ready to admit that MSu will win more games than OM will?



    You have an easier schedule, so if both teams are equal, you should win a game more. We both have 3 weak OOC teams. We play at Wake Forest. You play at Georgia Tech. Wake is picked higher in the ACC.

    From the East, you play Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee. We play Florida, South Carolina, and Vandy. They obviously consider schedule strength when they set over/unders on win total, and you obviously have the more favorable schedule this year, which would explain the difference in our over/under totals.

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    that if you are good enough to start at Texas you better damn well be an elite quarterback. Your boy Sneed wasn't so he jumped ship to a C- program where he knew he could start no matter what.

    Keep falling in love with this guy and I promise you will regret it later.

    No great player leaves a top tear program because they don't have what it takes and becomes a program savior in the SEC. I wouldn't put all of my chips in on a Texas reject. Now I'm not saying that if he came to State we wouldn't be doing the same thing, but with yall's history with over hyped Quarterbacks I just have to see it to believe it. Sorry that's just how I see it. Prove me wrong, and I will be the first person to be accountable for my comments here.


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    I think MSU should win more games. MSU is coming off of an 8 win season and has some confidence. MSU plays GT, we play Wake. Advantage MSU. MSU plays UT, Vandy, and UK, we play UGA, Vandy, and SC. Advantage MSU. So yes I totally understand why Vegas is expecting MSU to win more games and I also understand why Vegas has us as a favorite over MSU as a futures bet.

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    if we had fired Croom after 2006, and hired Houston Nutt in 2007, would you have picked us to win 8 games? Have a winning season? Hell, even if we got Sneed to play last year for us, am I still to believe there would be a Rebel consensus that we'd be the surprise team in the West?

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    First, I only said he was pretty good, not all conference! He was a highly touted freshman backup to McCoy. While he didn't win the starting job, he came in against K-State off the bench (when McCoy got hurt) and played pretty well in a 45-42 loss where he was basically running for his life. (I think he got sacked 4-5 times in that one.) I went to UT, and I follow them pretty closely. There were quite a few UT fans that thought Mack Brown made the wrong decision to go with McCoy over Snead, but that is history.

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    8-30-08 MEMPHIS W
    9-6-08 at Wake Forest L
    9-13-08 SAMFORD W
    9-20-08 VANDERBILT W
    9-27-08 at Florida L
    10-4-08 SOUTH CAROLINA L
    10-18-08 at Alabama L
    10-25-08 at Arkansas L
    11-1-08 AUBURN L
    11-15-08 LOUISIANA-MONROE W
    11-22-08 at Louisiana State L
    11-28-08 MISSISSIPPI STATE L

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    nm

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    They beat Memphis, Samford, Vandy, Arkansas and ULM
    and come close against LSU in the South's most storied rivalry.

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    I don't give a <17> what Ole Miss does...go 0-12 I hope.

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    After we saw what Nutt did for Arkansas back in 1998. He had a heck of a turnaround. He went 6-2 in the SEC losing to Tenn & State. They sucked the year before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HD6
    if we had fired Croom after 2006, and hired Houston Nutt in 2007, would you have picked us to win 8 games? Have a winning season? Hell, even if we got Sneed to play last year for us, am I still to believe there would be a Rebel consensus that we'd be the surprise team in the West?

    Great question and it's only gotten one bullshit answer. No way would these same Rebel fans believe that. I get so sick of hearing how good they're going to be every year. It's either unbelievable optimism or blind stupidity. For the record, I think they will go 5-7 (2-6) with wins over Memphis, Samford, Vandy, Arkansas, and ULM. I think the Memphis and Arkanasas games could go either way and the SC and State games could go either way.

    Also, I think that Ole Miss will be a bowl team again in the near future. That won't stop Ole Miss fans from taking it a step up. Now, it's that they might be a 7/8 win team, and when they become a 7/8 win team, then holy shit, watch out because they'll be the next Ohio State/LSU/Georgia.

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    I would have probably said 5.


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    and then went on a rant about Ole Miss fans thinking we could win 7 games.

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    He also said 2 of the wins could go either way. So unless you can go 4-0 in the swing games (not likely even though we managed to do it last year), he doesn't think you have a shot at 7 wins.

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    I'm glad someone knows how to read. And I wasn't necessarily bitching about 7 games anyway, just the general year after year sentiment and expectations of Ole Miss fans. It borders on lunacy for some people. I don't know if there's another fanbase in the country that so highly praises their team even though they've only won 14 games in 4 years. Ole Miss and Bama are always battling it out for most obnoxious fans that genuinely think their team will be much better than will actually happen.

    Seriously.....3-9 (0- last year with a 2 point win over Memphis and a 7 point win over Northwestern State.

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    vs. Memphis - W
    at Wake Forest - L
    vs. Samford - W
    vs. Vanderbilt - W
    at Florida - L
    vs. South Carolina - L
    at Alabama - L
    at Arkansas - W
    vs. Auburn - L
    vs. UL-Monroe - W
    at LSU - L
    vs. Mississippi State - W

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    vs. Memphis - W
    at Wake Forest - W
    vs. Samford - W
    vs. Vanderbilt - W
    at Florida - L
    vs. South Carolina - W
    at Alabama - L
    at Arkansas - W
    vs. Auburn - W
    vs. UL-Monroe - W
    at LSU - L
    vs. Mississippi State - W

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    that Ole Miss will be favored in the egg bowl this year.

    Im not saying we will win, Im not saying it will be by more than 1 point, but Im willing to bet 20 dollars that Ole Miss will be favored prior to kickoff.

    If it is even, then its a push. What say you, 20 bucks loser pays sixpack or nafoom respectively.
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    Same reason I thought MSU would be favored last year, and the fact that we were favored the year before.

    Same reason MSU is only a 10 point favorite against LA Tech.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OMlawdog
    that Ole Miss will be favored in the egg bowl this year.

    Im not saying we will win, Im not saying it will be by more than 1 point, but Im willing to bet 20 dollars that Ole Miss will be favored prior to kickoff.

    If it is even, then its a push. What say you, 20 bucks loser pays sixpack or nafoom respectively.
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    Same reason I thought MSU would be favored last year, and the fact that we were favored the year before.

    Same reason MSU is only a 10 point favorite against LA Tech.
    What kind of dumb ass would make a bet on who is going to be favored in a game 4 months down the road> There are these things called injuries that happen all of the time that usually change the lines


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    compared to a team that won just 3 games last year has so much more talent to survive an injury here or there versus the depth and talent of a 3 win team.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OMlawdog
    compared to a team that won just 3 games last year has so much more talent to survive an injury here or there versus the depth and talent of a 3 win team.
    That doesnt even make sense. Who knows what will happen between now and then. Do you really think if MSU came in completely healthy and OM was without Snead and Oher that OM would be favored?


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    Im willing to either, bet 20 that Ole miss wins the egg bowl or Ole Miss will be favored before kickoff.

    How does it not make sense, that a team that just won 8 games should have more talent and depth than a 3 win team, to be able to handle injuries better.


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    and screw the damn boards. You'll tell me where you picnic in the Grove or wherever, and I'll show up in Oxford to collect or pay. Deal?


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    Holiday Inn Express of Starkville Preseason Prognosticators - Week 11 - Ole Miss

    Quote Originally Posted by OMlawdog
    Im willing to either, bet 20 that Ole miss wins the egg bowl or Ole Miss will be favored before kickoff.

    How does it not make sense, that a team that just won 8 games should have more talent and depth than a 3 win team, to be able to handle injuries better.
    You really are an idiot. I dont think anyone here is saying MSU is loaded with depth at every position


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